Where’s the Joy? A Widow’s Walk… Moving Forward

Posted on March 12, 2026 by tricialathrop

March 11

It’s been a full year since Norm passed away. Wise advice says to wait at least a year before making any major life changing choices like moving, changing jobs…things like that.

Thank you to all of you who have been praying and providing encouragement and support over this last year. I know that it helped me to persevere and not give in to depression or despair. It’s been the toughest thing I have ever experienced, but God has been faithful.

I took a cruise so that I wouldn’t be home for the anniversary of Norm’s passing. On that day, I took an excursion to Cathedral Caves on Eleuthera in the Bahamas. It’s a place where Norm would have wanted to spend a good deal of time, taking photos, playing with the lights and shadows, creating a photo to draw one’s eyes to the Creator of all things.

That night, my daughter Jennifer, and two of my sisters and I played a game on the ship called Majority Minds. It doesn’t matter if your answer is right or wrong, it just matters how well you match the other players. I’m actually pretty good at the game, we got all the answers. They told us to come up and get our reward…Disney cruise gives plastic medals…we got Goofy, Norm’s favorite character. We all had a “whoa” moment.

The next day, I stood on the deck watching the sun peek through the clouds, the rays spreading across the water. I realized that I don’t have to focus on the sorrow or the pain. Norm is free from all pain and sorrow, he is in the best of all places. I miss him, but I wouldn’t want him to come back to the pain. I can focus on the joyful memories. Not that I won’t still cry, today was a weepy day…but the memories are good.

I’m not making any major changes right now, but I am moving forward. I’m not sure what the future looks like without Norm, but God does. I can trust Him to lead me.

I am thankful for the memories of Norm and our time together.

I pray for wisdom as I continue my life on this earth, that I will be an encouragement to others.

I rejoice that God sent Jesus Christ to this earth to reveal the depth of His love for us.

Moving forward: What have I put off that needs to be done? What needs to be set aside? How can I minister to the people in my sphere of influence? Where do I need to focus?

He who observes the wind will not sow, and he who regards the clouds will not reap. As you do not know the way the spirit comes to the bones in the womb of a woman with child, so you do not know the work of God who makes everything. In the morning sow your seed, and at evening withhold not your hand, for you do not know which will prosper, this or that, or whether both alike will be good.

Ecclesiastes 11:4-6

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Where’s the Joy? A Widow’s Walk

Posted on March 4, 2026 by tricialathrop

March 3

Tough week! On March 6 it will be one year since Norm went on to walk with God in the Garden of the Lord.

Anniversaries should be times of celebration, a wedding, a birthday, first kiss. Unfortunately we also have anniversaries of times that are not so great like death and war. It’s important to commemorate those things…just no fun.

If I lived in Victorian times, I would be looking forward to getting back out in society. Bringing out my colorful dresses in preparation of setting aside the black I would have worn all year. It’s like society said, “Okay, you’ve had a year…get over it.”

There are probably some who think that, and honestly, it’s in my mind that way. Okay a year, time to move forward. However, in talking to my friends who are also widows, there is no set end date. Some are ready to move on in a year, others take longer…and that’s okay. Some say the second year is worse than the first, not a pleasant thought. All the firsts were pretty tough, I can’t imagine the second being tougher.

I’ve been fortunate, the people in my life have been very supportive and I’ve had no insensitive comments. So kudos to my family and friends for their support, thank you.

Where’s the joy? Today started sadly, but God gave me a good day overall.

I am thankful for the support that God has given me this year through His Word, my family and friends.

I pray for wisdom as I do mover forward. God left me here because my work is not yet done…not really sure what that is or looks like, but I trust He will reveal it as I go.

I rejoice that God’s love is always present, even when I don’t feel it.

Where’s the joy? It’s in God’s presence.

Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways! 

For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who became His counselor? Or who has first given to Him that it might be paid back to him again? 

For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen. 

Ro 11:33–36.

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Where’s the Joy? A Widow’s Walk

Posted on March 2, 2026 by tricialathrop

March 2

Yesterday I looked through pictures from the past year. Several trips with family, a wedding in Florida, a trip to see friends in NY, all a distraction to the pain of facing special days…spreading ashes at Rocky Knob along the Blue Ridge Parkway, the funeral and the pictures of Norm throughout his life. And then I came to a picture of him in the hospital. I had forgotten how gaunt and frail he became, just a shadow of the adventuring, laughing, always a story to tell man who lived his life to the fullest.

I remember how we first met. I went with a friend to a single’s event at her church. The group ended up at Norm’s place for games and dessert. He jumped over the arm of his sofa into the seat. Then I noticed a game spread out over a table, The War of 1812…a lot of pieces and a huge map. I asked, “How fun is it to play a game where you know who wins?” He began a long response…tactics…specific benchmarks…I didn’t get it, and just considered him a nerd. He knew I didn’t get it and thought, “Dumb blonde.”

Later, as I continued to go on outings with this group, we were all eating out after an event and Norm and I got into an argument about the working and gifts of the Holy Spirit. Calvinists and Charismatics have differing opinions on that person of the Trinity. I guess it got pretty heated because someone stepped in to stop it.

Even with our differences, our attitude towards each other changed and we began to date, kind of like a Hallmark movie. Norm was a godly man, who loved the Lord with all his heart and tried to live a life that honored Him.

While at church one Sunday, the pastor spoke about the problems with the Calvinist and the Charismatic, how they were walking in the ruts on opposite sides of the main road of Biblical truth. When walking out of the church, the Associate Pastor asked how we were doing and we said, “Oh, we’re just walking along in our ruts holding hands over the road of Biblical truth found in Jesus.”

In his final week, Norm apologized for not being able to be my Hallmark Hero. He just could not fight the pain and the suffering from cancer anymore. He was tired and wanted to go walk in the garden with the Lord. I assured him that he had always been my Hallmark Hero, and that he didn’t have to fight anymore.

This week it will be a year since he passed. It seems forever ago and yet just yesterday. The memories are good, and I focus on the pictures with the smiles and the laughter. I’m glad he’s free from the pain and suffering that marked his last six months. I’m glad for the 44 years we held hands as we walked through this life.

Where’s the joy?

I am thankful for the memories, good and bad.

I pray for strength as I continue this walk on earth without him.

I rejoice in the Lord God who made heaven and earth and sent Jesus Christ to walk this earth, suffer on the cross, to be resurrected so that we have the hope of eternal life. I know that Norm is with Him now.

Where’s the joy? God gave me a man who loved me.


O Lord, who may abide in Your tent?
Who may dwell on Your holy hill?
He who walks with integrity, and works righteousness,
And speaks truth in his heart.
He does not slander with his tongue,
Nor does evil to his neighbor,
Nor takes up a reproach against his friend;
In whose eyes a reprobate is despised,
But who honors those who fear the Lord;
He swears to his own hurt and does not change;
He does not put out his money at interest,
Nor does he take a bribe against the innocent.
He who does these things will never be shaken.

Psalm 15

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Where’s the Joy? A Widow’s Walk

Posted on February 28, 2026 by tricialathrop

February 27

In August, 2024, while Norm experienced whole body itching, we didn’t know what was happening, Norm had a sense that he would die before April. When he said that, I denied it, not wanting to give voice to a death sentence. And I attributed it more to his tendency to be a hypochondriac…I was wrong.

During Covid, Norm began woodworking. He started with toys and puzzles for the grandkids, and moved on to creating furniture for me and the grands, including a climbing wall. As always, he learned quickly and became an excellent woodworker. Every room holds something he made.

Sensing he had limited time, he began to make a bed for our grandson Sawyer. More elaborate than the one he made for Sierra. This one would have three tiers, it looked cool. But he could only work for a short amount of time, and then would have to sit and rest. He wanted so much to get it done, but the cancer took over and he had no energy to complete what he’d begun. He stopped trying in October. In January, when he had hope of survival, he tried again, but it took energy he did not have.

In his final week, he asked our son Robert to finish the bed.

It’s been almost a year and the unfinished bed sits in our garage. Monday, Robert came and is working on the bed. This past year he’s been watching woodworking videos and studying how to complete it. He wants to honor Norm in this, and while it won’t be as elaborate as Norm had planned, it will be something for Sawyer to know how much his Poppop loved him.

I am so proud of Robert and the effort he is making, plus I’m enjoying his company this week. We went to play Scooby Doo Mini Golf in Pigeon Forge…it’s something Norm and I would have done, multiple times. Scooby Doo and mini golf, twice the fun.

Where’s the joy?

I am thankful for my children who have grown into wonderful caring adults. I can see Norm’s influence in who they have become.

I pray for their future, that they will seek the Lord all the days of their lives.

I rejoice that God gave me a good man to be my husband, and a wonderful father to our children.

Where’s the joy? It’s in the people that God has placed in my life.


If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.
And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.
Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away.
For we know in part and we prophesy in part; but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away.
When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things.
For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known.
But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love.

1 Corinthians 13:1-13

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Where’s the Joy? A Widow’s Walk

Posted on February 18, 2026 by tricialathrop

February 17

Norm and I traveled to Alaska to celebrate our 40th anniversary…2 years late because Covid limited all travel on the actual date. We still had to do Covid testing to go, and retest before we joined the cruise.

We started the trip with a land tour to Denali. We looked forward to seeing the mountain. We were disappointed. The clouds covered it for the entire time. I even stood on the observation deck and sang to the mountain, “Show yourself…” from Frozen 2. It seemed appropriate at the time.

The clouds still covered the mountain as we boarded the bus to leave.

20 miles down the road, the bus driver pulled over to the side of the road. He told us all to get out and to look behind us. The clouds had parted, and Denali beamed in the sunlight. We got to see it, even if from a distance.

If you’ve been reading my blog, you know that the last month has been tough for me.

Yesterday, it felt as if the great weight had lifted and that feeling has continued today. I’m able to focus. There’s a spring in my step. I smiled more than I cried today.

It’s nothing I’ve done, just the grace of God being poured out on me, giving me a reprieve from the heaviness of grieving.

Where’s the joy?

I am thankful for the reprieve of the last two days. The memories are good.

I pray for wisdom as I face each day, to speak and act in such a way that brings God glory.

I rejoice in God’s faithfulness to me, even when I don’t see His hand at work in my life.

Where’s the joy? It’s in God’s provision day by day.

Praise the Lord!
Praise God in His sanctuary;
Praise Him in His mighty expanse.
Praise Him for His mighty deeds;
Praise Him according to His excellent greatness.
Praise Him with trumpet sound;
Praise Him with harp and lyre.
Praise Him with timbrel and dancing;
Praise Him with stringed instruments and pipe.
Praise Him with loud cymbals;
Praise Him with resounding cymbals.
Let everything that has breath praise the Lord.
Praise the Lord!

Psalm 150

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Where’s the Joy? A Widow’s Walk

Posted on February 13, 2026 by tricialathrop

February 12

I’ve hit a wall. I feel like I’m in system shut-down. I chose to stay close to home for January and February. I wanted to see how I did without distractions, how I was going to handle life without Norm on a daily basis. It’s been an eye-opening experience.

I no longer have the urgent matters that had to be addressed after Norm’s passing. There are things I need to be doing or I will find myself in urgency again, because of my own procrastination…and right now, that’s the nation I’m in. Those activities that require preparation for other people, those are getting done…last minute…but getting done. But things around the house…not so much. My writing, my studies…taking more effort.

I find that the Norm’s absence weighs heavily on me, and moving forward is far more difficult than I expected. I’m usually a pick myself up by the bootstraps person and keep moving…it’s not as easy this time.

I need a reboot so I remind myself of this:

In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. Romans 8:26–28.

For I know the plans that I have for you,’ declares the Lord, ‘plans for welfare and not for calamity to give you a future and a hope. Jeremiah 29:11.

But now, thus says the Lord, your Creator, O Jacob, And He who formed you, O Israel, 

“Do not fear, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name; you are Mine! 

“When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; And through the rivers, they will not overflow you. 

When you walk through the fire, you will not be scorched, Nor will the flame burn you. 

“For I am the Lord your God, The Holy One of Israel, your Savior

Is 43:1–3.

Where’s the joy?

I am thankful for the people that God has placed in my life to encourage and uplift me during this difficult time.

I pray for wisdom as I choose my words and actions each day, that they will be honoring to the Lord.

I rejoice…I am choosing to rejoice in the Lord my God, the Holy One of Israel, my Savior who holds me in the palm of His hand.

Where’s the joy? It’s God’s peace in the midst of the storm.

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Where’s the Joy? A Widow’s Walk

Posted on February 4, 2026 by tricialathrop

February 3

This has been a tough couple of weeks. With the snow and ice, I’ve not been able to get out as easily. Only a couple of days, but I felt isolated. It’s been almost a year, but I still miss his presence and sometimes expect him to appear.

I’ve had a lot of emotional support this year. Widows who have been there and share their experiences, friends who are still married but take the time to ask how I’m doing, family to visit and to call…and others who come alongside so that I know I’m not alone and isolated.

I’m reading through Hebrews for my quiet time, and I came across the verse that says, “Today, if you hear his voice…”

I got stuck on the “today”. Yesterday has already passed. I can’t change anything I did or said. It’s a done deal. I can apologize, be grateful, make atonement, but I can’t change the past.

Tomorrow is an unknown, my words and actions yet to be determined. Being fearful or worried about the future won’t change it.

What I have is this moment, today. What I do and say today can set up tomorrow for success. The way I respond to what happened yesterday can also set up tomorrow for success. By living in this moment, today, embracing the joys and sorrows of the moment, choosing my words, and doing the works that God would have me do, I will face tomorrow with no regrets.

Pollyanna? Pie in the sky? Idealized thinking? Perhaps.

I’ve spent a lot of time thinking of the past, understandable with the passing of Norm. The memories are good. I’ve spent some time considering my future, how am I going to do this alone?

I have today. I can prioritize my relationship with God, reading His Word and praying for wisdom and help. I can prioritize family and friends, taking the time to speak a word of encouragement. I can take care of the mundane things that must be done, for life goes on…like taxes and housework.

Where’s the joy? Today is the day that the Lord has made, I will rejoice and be glad in it. Psalm 118:24

I am thankful for God’s faithfulness to remind me that He has all this in His hand. He has a plan for my future, He knows my past failures. He knows my hopes and dreams.

I pray for wisdom as I choose the best words and actions for each day as I continue to interact with this world and the people in it.

I rejoice that God made today.

Where’s the joy? It’s available all around me, I just need to open my eyes to see it.


Give thanks to the Lord, for He is good;
For His lovingkindness is everlasting.
Oh let Israel say,
“His lovingkindness is everlasting.”
Oh let the house of Aaron say,
“His lovingkindness is everlasting.”
Oh let those who fear the Lord say,
“His lovingkindness is everlasting.”
From my distress I called upon the Lord;
The Lord answered me and set me in a large place.
The Lord is for me; I will not fear;
What can man do to me?
The Lord is for me among those who help me;
Therefore I will look with satisfaction on those who hate me.
It is better to take refuge in the Lord
Than to trust in man.
It is better to take refuge in the Lord
Than to trust in princes.
All nations surrounded me;
In the name of the Lord I will surely cut them off.
They surrounded me, yes, they surrounded me;
In the name of the Lord I will surely cut them off.
They surrounded me like bees;
They were extinguished as a fire of thorns;
In the name of the Lord I will surely cut them off.
You pushed me violently so that I was falling,
But the Lord helped me.
The Lord is my strength and song,
And He has become my salvation.
The sound of joyful shouting and salvation is in the tents of the righteous;
The right hand of the Lord does valiantly.
The right hand of the Lord is exalted;
The right hand of the Lord does valiantly.
I will not die, but live,
And tell of the works of the Lord.
The Lord has disciplined me severely,
But He has not given me over to death.
Open to me the gates of righteousness;
I shall enter through them, I shall give thanks to the Lord.
This is the gate of the Lord;
The righteous will enter through it.
I shall give thanks to You, for You have answered me,
And You have become my salvation.
The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief corner stone.
This is the Lord’s doing;
It is marvelous in our eyes.
This is the day which the Lord has made;
Let us rejoice and be glad in it.
O Lord, do save, we beseech You;
O Lord, we beseech You, do send prosperity!
Blessed is the one who comes in the name of the Lord;
We have blessed you from the house of the Lord.
The Lord is God, and He has given us light;
Bind the festival sacrifice with cords to the horns of the altar.
You are my God, and I give thanks to You;
You are my God, I extol You.
Give thanks to the Lord, for He is good;
For His lovingkindness is everlasting.

Psalm 118

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Where’s the Joy? A Widow’s Walk

Posted on January 29, 2026 by tricialathrop

January 28

In the last year I’ve done a lot to distract myself from focusing on the loss of Norm. Not that I haven’t felt the loss everyday, but activities and trips have helped me to not just sit home and mourn.

I noticed an increase in time spent on electronic games…not the best use of time. And when I considered not playing them anymore, I had a sense of panic…weird, but indicative of addiction to whatever endorphins they induce. I’ve tried to cut back in the past, but eventually increase my playing time.

As I prayed about the hold it has over me, I decided to set the games aside as a perpetual fast to the Lord. I’ve given them up before, but I’ve always gone back. Will this time be different? I hope so. I don’t do it to gain the favor of the Lord, but by setting them aside, I will have more time for the connections that really matter, including time in prayer.

I haven’t played any electronic games since Sunday, tempted but haven’t succumbed. However, I have increased my Facebook scrolling, you know that click bait that keeps popping up and sucks me in to a story like the old soap operas or tales of revenge or deserved karma. If I stop over a story for longer than a few seconds, more show up like that one. The algorithms at work, not enlightening or of benefit at all to my life.

This is a personal decision, for my life. Some people can play the games and scroll Facebook without consequence. They had an adverse affect on my life and mindset, I needed to change.

Why this? Why now?

Last year when Norm thought he was going to survive the cancer, he began to speak about what he was going to do with the extra time that God had given him. I don’t know what time I have left, but the games and scrolling take away from that time. It limits my interactions with the Lord and with others in my sphere of influence. I don’t want to waste the days the Lord has given to me. I don’t want to stand before the Lord and see hours and hours playing games, alone.

I want to be an encouragement to the people around me. I want to honor the Lord in my words and actions.

Where’s the joy? It’s not in the games or on Facebook.

I am thankful for God who provides everything I need, emotionally, physically and spiritually.

I pray for the wherewithal to keep away from those games and sites that eat my time and keep me from spending time on what really matters.

I rejoice in the Lord God who loves me regardless of my success or failures, and does not depend on my words and actions.

Where’s the joy? I’m hoping to see an increase as I interact with the people around me more fully.


Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also lay aside every encumbrance and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
For consider Him who has endured such hostility by sinners against Himself, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.

Hebrews 12:1-3

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Where’s the Joy? A Widow’s Walk

Posted on January 23, 2026 by tricialathrop

January 22

For our fifteenth anniversary, Norm and I went to Calgary and Banff National Park in Canada. We had a number of great memories there and it was on our list to return, we did a few years ago for the train ride across to Vancouver…but we did not return to do any of the trails.

On that trip, we decided to go see the famous “Ink Pots”, bubbling mud pots. To get there, we walked through what we began to refer to as the “Forest of Gloom” that went on and on. The trees blocked the sunlight and when it did peek through, shadows morphed all around us. And the mud pots? Disappointing.

However, we continued on the trail it opened up to a glorious, majestic valley surrounded by mountains with a glacial river running through it. We enjoyed the view. We decided to take off our shoes and stick them in the river flowing from the glacier…live and learn, and don’t make the same mistake twice.

This was all before Norm began photography, so we just have pictures from my camera. If Norm had been doing photography, we would have been going back through the Forest of Gloom in the dark. The scenery took our breath away…almost like when we put our feet in the water.

Why am I sharing this? I feel like I’m on that trail. Every day I wake up to the realization that Norm is not here. It’s been harder the last few weeks. I’m weary of the day after day grief. Perhaps it’s intensified by the memory that at this time last year we thought he was going to beat the cancer. We had started discussing plans for the future, European river cruise, going to the south of France, back to Colorado…

Even in my struggles and weariness, there is hope. I don’t despair. God gives me strength to walk this path. God gives me courage to continue. God sends friends to encourage me. Though I walk alone, I am never alone.

Where’s the joy?

I am thankful for the memories I have with Norm, family and friends.

I pray for all the people that will be affected by the storm this weekend, for safety, food and shelter to be provided.

I rejoice in the God of my salvation, whose love is beyond our understanding.

Where’s the joy? It is in the hope of God’s faithfulness in the future.

The Lord is my shepherd,
I shall not want.
He makes me lie down in green pastures;
He leads me beside quiet waters.
He restores my soul;
He guides me in the paths of righteousness
For His name’s sake.
Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I fear no evil, for You are with me;
Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me.
You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies;
You have anointed my head with oil;
My cup overflows.
Surely goodness and lovingkindness will follow me all the days of my life,
And I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever.

Psalm 23

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Where’s the Joy? A Widow’s Walk

Posted on January 12, 2026 by tricialathrop

January 12

When Norm used to take his trips, he sometimes lost touch with me, not all National Parks have good cell coverage or wifi access. When it got too long, I began to wonder, “What will I do if he died?” And I would go through some thoughts as to the process of locating his body, getting it home, etc and try to process what life might look like.

I was clueless! What I didn’t realize is the day after day dealing with the loss. He’s not here to talk to, to share with, to hold hands, hug, kiss…

Tonight I went to dinner with my sisters and their significant others. They are happy in their relationships and I don’t begrudge them that, but I’m having to learn to be with them, without Norm. Sometimes are easier than others, but being single in a world of couples has its challenges. It reminds me of what I no longer have.

Last week I spent time with Sierra and Sawyer. As I watch them play, create, and ask their questions, sorrow comes over me. Norm enjoyed their developing minds and interacted with them in a way I can’t. I’m sure he watches from heaven and prays for them, but he’s not here.

I’m doing things to distract myself so I don’t wallow in self pity. We all grieve in our own ways and time. I’ve heard from some that the second year was harder than the first, time will tell.

Moving forward, I need to take some time to see and hear what God has for me to say and do. What should be my focus? Where do I need to spend energy and is there anything I need to let go of?

Where’s the joy?

I am thankful for family and friends who continue to include me in events and outings. They are helping me to navigate this new path.

I pray for wisdom and courage as I move forward. I’m not sure how it will look, but God knows.

I rejoice in the faithfulness that is God. His love for us is far better than we can imagine, for His love is perfect, seeks our good, and desires to walk with us daily.

Where’s the joy? It’s all around me, for God is faithful.


Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him. In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us.

1 John 4:7-12

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